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Great news for Glasgow!

In reply to Glasgow Scotland UK 2014 Games Bring Inline Skating and Cycling Velodrome:

And Glasgow can always use great news!

Anything indoors to help the kids get off the streets is a good thing there, in my opinion.

Lean and Ready

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Hey MikeB you looked lean and ready at Tour de Lions. It was a warmish day as long as we were out there and I think things would have been easier had you guys taken off sooner when my hub broke (once it was clear all was fine). You guys did great. It was a windy one too, it seemed to me. That training is paying off, MikeB, and I'm glad people are offering you steroids but that you're not taking them!

I'm in the gym a few times a

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

I'm in the gym a few times a week just getting my cardio up running and using the bike. People see me there so often when races come around they offer me steroids but i turn them down i can't even take asprin or any other normal pill the last thing im doing is taking something like that.

My favorite quotation

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Sure! How about "Cadbury's Mini Eggs"?

Well I don't really want to turn a paceline into a conscience-nagging session about eating healthily :-).

Obviously most endurance athletes understand ahead of time that the South Beach Diet is best suited to the Great American Couch Potato, and not to folk who like to skate 50 miles in 85 deg C weather.

Why am I so intrigued by the South Beach Diet book? Because it works! However, it's a recipe for bonking at this point in the season. The Paleo Diet for Athletes is even more strict, but the authors spell out what nutrients to eat, when, to maximize your training and not detract from it. I'll be reviewing it soon but in the meantime I'm trying to figure out how to remember it all.

Thanks for the notes. Any favorite quotations?

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Any quotations or page numbers I should be looking for in The South Beach Diet book and the Paleo Diet for Athletes books? I looked around for the South Beach Diet book and I think I have loaned it to a skater! I remember you had found some interesting paragraphs about the whole eating after exercising issue and some other things. I was thinking about finding those and typing in a few sentences or at least finding the page numbers. Any suggested paragraphs, pages or quotes that inspire you?

Also, to all, I'm interested in your favorite paragraphs from training books, plus sports drink and sports bar recipes (others too).

Thanks for your enthusiasm on this topic, eebee. Those of us that skate with you will have much to learn as we go down the road, so I look forward to some good education on skates as you go over what you've learned again when I can't get it all straight (or pretend I can't so I can go eat USAfied Mexican food, ha).

The last few days I've been justifying my badness by thinking that fat slows down the spike in carbs. It seemed to work with those Cadbury mini-eggs. Someone sent me a photo of a chocolate cake with white cream icing last night! How tempting is that? I was glad I had eaten chocolate eggs before I got the photo so I didn't run out and buy a similar cake of my very own.

Thanks again for your sharing on this.

South Beach Diet and low glycogen stores

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

It's good to finally make sense of how some regimes work and whether they ruin or help one's training. For me, food is a huge part of skating because I do put weight on easily, which basically ruins so much of what I've worked hard at for months to achieve by skating several times a week. But sports-nutrition gurus have been pushing bread, pasta, 'sports' drinks and massed-produced carbs down our throats now for a few decades. I have never been able to get the balance right between calorie intake and expenditure, because despite my best intentions, I usually fall far short of my training goals and end up skating less than I'd like.

The South Beach diet and the Paleo Diet both come from the low-fat protein, nuts & veggies camp, taking wheat and refined sugar out of the picture completely. The Paleo Diet for Athletes puts some of it back in, which I am looking forward to reading about. Non-athletic couch-potatoes lose a lot of weight in the first stage (2 weeks) of SBD because their glycogen stores are lower from the lack of starchy carbs, and their bodies hold less water. I just read in the Paleo book that 1 gram of glycogen stored in your body holds 2.6 grams of water. This is why starting the SBD is a bad idea if you're in the middle of a training schedule for long distance skating.

The SBD uses 'foods' that Stone-Age man would not have had at his disposal (e.g. Splenda!), but it's a good reference if you suspect you are eating too much refined flour and sugar, whatever your health reasons.

Anyway, I'm still not 'on a diet'! Just trying to figure out what works for me, finally.

Diligence and Persistence and PaleoSouthBeachness

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Thanks a lot for your interest in these topics and your sharing of it with us all. In particular it was good hearing parts of the South Beach book again as we were pondering skating or not a couple of days ago. I'm sure one of us will put in what we recall here when time allows. I got my copy of the book free from the Ed McKay's used bookstore free shelf a few weeks ago, the same day I got a book about a young doctor's first year of medicine in Bryson City years ago, which one of my family members is now enjoying reading. Anyway, thanks, eebee, for the follow up and I saw that training bible book that skart mentioned and it looks really good. I might need to pick up some used books on Amazon too, as I'm thinking these books won't show up on the free shelf!

New Athletic Nutrition Book (Enabled by Skart)

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Being easily influenced, I wasted no time in placing an inter-library loan for the Joe Friel book Skart mentioned above. The book showed up out of the blue after about 4 weeks of no communication from my local library. I rushed to the library to get it. It seems very informative but there's a lot of info in there and I haven't read the whole thing yet. The chapter about athletic nutrition and the timing thereof after a long workout, grabbed my attention right off the bat. Here I found in a few short sentences what I remember asking myself about ten years ago when I started skating long distances many hours at a time. What's the missing link between eating healthily, and eating enough of the right kind of stuff so I don't bonk or can't recover? Sugar and wheat aren't all they're cracked up to be.

Friel referenced another one of his books, which goes into more detail about this, called the Paleo Diet for Athletes. The title alone gives me warm fuzzies and a feeling of hope. Ignoring my skinflint tendencies, I clicked through to Amazon and ordered a good second hand copy of the book within minutes! It just came in the mail and I'm excited about it. I will post a book review if I finish reading it (no self-pressure!).

Sounds like a great time!

In reply to Inline Speed Skating Clinic March 28 2009 with Harry Vogel, Hank Galbraith, Mariah Richardson:

Nice writeup, Eebee. I'm glad to hear that you got something out of that workshop. I'd guess that it gave you plenty to think about while waiting for your leg muscles to recover. And for only $15.00 too...

Great Indoor Workshop!

In reply to Inline Speed Skating Clinic March 28 2009 with Harry Vogel, Hank Galbraith, Mariah Richardson:

Roadskater, Kensun and I went to Skateland USA in Greensboro for the Harry Vogel indoor speed clinic this past Saturday. Not really knowing what to expect, we wondered beforehand if we really shouldn't just sit on the sidelines and watch. There were about twenty speedy little kids, three other indoor adults, three Roadskaters, and three amazing world-class skaters who were teaching the workshop.

We all started off in the middle of the rink, speedy little kids' parents watching from the wings, and did some dryland exercises, such as holding a tuck for 30-45 seconds. Other exercises included basic dryland skating and crossovers, and stretches once we had warmed up. We then separated into groups and we 'seasoned' roadskaters took turns with some of the speedy little kids in getting down really low and skating smaller circles, focusing on technique. It didn't take long before my left quad was shaking out of control.

Next came start line practice, and I got to learn the indoor-style start, which although I'm sure I'll never use, was fun to learn anyway.

After all of this we launched into time trials and races, which I took part in to begin with, but unlike dodging cars, dogs or iPod-joggers in the park, the skills I lacked in the turns had me terrified of flattening one of the kids, so I backed off and eventually gave up! However, this workshop got me all fired up to try indoor again. I go to an indoor practice probably once every three years, and I believe I do make some progress each time, so maybe after 25 years I'll be able to do it.

I felt somewhat self-conscious that all the parents were able to watch me make a complete arse out of myself, but I know that's silly, because it's far better for me to be taking part than sitting and wishing I had the nerve to take part. Besides, the parents couldn't have cared less about me anyway, since they were watching their own children and cheering them on.

I hadn't realized how young Harry Vogel still is :-)

Even today, it still feels like somebody slugged me in the thighs with a baseball bat. What a happy feeling!

Welcome. On Demand World Cup Speed Skating Available.

In reply to ISU Long Track World Single Distances Speed Skating Championships 2009 Richmond CAN Olympic Oval Four Days of Free Internet TV:

Hey thanks for thanking. Sometimes methinks nobody hears what I'm saying or reads it or agrees or whatever insecurity may be hanging around like smoke in me brain. It was good stuff and lots of it. I actually watched some of it on French Eurosport television either in French (which is mostly babble to me) or with the UK audio. It's a bit complicated to get this but I'll tell more later. For now just look for info on the tvants p2p tv application (or tvu or sopcast).

But the UniversalSports.com website offered a really interesting feed, consisting of nice camera work before events sometimes (you could see them lacing up, stretching, stuff like that). There were no TV announcers in the feed, just the sounds of the rink, including English (Canadian) and French (Canadian) announcers during the events, and a slightly annoying but well-intentioned newbie type announcer between events...more like some radio station personality who knows zip about it. But these sounds were mostly turned down, especially during races. During ice replinishment it was pretty much a static view but OK it's free and it's more like being there than any TV broadcast.

Good stuff!

Most of the Richmond events are up as "on-demand" video, so you can go watch them any time you like! Go watch some viddy so they'll know we care about speed skating. There's also short track and more long track from earlier in the season.

Also they carry other human powered or gravity sports so there some cool stuff there. I saw part of a running marathon, ski jumping, biathlon (cross-country skiing with rifle shooting), plus some downhill ski racing.

Thanks for the tip. It made

In reply to ISU Long Track World Single Distances Speed Skating Championships 2009 Richmond CAN Olympic Oval Four Days of Free Internet TV:

Thanks for the tip.
It made riding trainer easier this weekend.

Watch Day 1 Single Distances Speed Skating Champs Free On Demand

In reply to ISU Long Track World Single Distances Speed Skating Championships 2009 Richmond CAN Olympic Oval Four Days of Free Internet TV:

If you missed the fun yesterday they got the video package ready overnight so you can now watch Day 1 of the ISU Long Track Single Distances Speed Skating Championships free on demand courtesy of UniversalSports. Thank you NBC Universal for this! I guess I'll hold off on telling you what happened for now. Also I will be telling you later how to save this stream so you can use it to educate yourself on skating form and inspire yourself to look beautiful while skating. I used internet exploder (jk) to view, but you might try firefox, chrome or opera and compare cpu usage (seemed like ie was more efficient perhaps because of silverlight or edgestreams being involved).

Day 1 included...
Men’s 1,500m
Ladies’ 3,000m

http://www.universalsports.com/mediaPlayer/media.dbml?&_MODE_=ONDEMAND&D...

Cool Countdown to Speed Skating via Internet Free TV

In reply to ISU Long Track World Single Distances Speed Skating Championships 2009 Richmond CAN Olympic Oval Four Days of Free Internet TV:

Looks like 3:20pm EDT start for streaming...

http://www.universalsports.com/mediaPlayer/media.dbml?CLIP_ID=108004&_MO...

SportTracks Blows Garmin away

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

You can't even compare the two. There is a whole community that has sprung up around this program, and several users have created plug-ins. Two of my favorites are a picture plug-in and a yearly view.

The picture plug-in allows you to scan any directory and import photos. They are imported based on the photo time stamp, then associated with any GPS-recorded activity at that time. So, it gives you a mini photo album for each activity.

The yearly view basically shows you a calendar for the whole year, with colored marks for the day you have an activity or multiple activities.

Everyone should check it out.

So it is lots better than

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

So it is lots better than the Garmin Forerunner program?

But what isn’t? For all you Mac heathens out there, try Ascent.

Been Meaning to Try SportTracks

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

After someone recommended this to me several times I downloaded but never got to it. Then I deleted it 2 days ago to make room for some educational videos (really, I mean it). I might have to try it. So it is lots better than the Garmin Forerunner program?

Funny! I thought I'd be First to Post but Hours Later...

In reply to Shani Davis Tops US World Cup Speed Skaters. Inliners Jennifer Rodriguez, Heather Richardson, Chad Hedrick Skating Well.:

I was still writing and looking for streams and such. Thanks for posting in case I hadn't seen it in the right sidebar news section. Did you see any of it? I've been watching the earlier meets on the notebook via universal sports. Good stuff. The Overall was good. I've seen most between bouts of sleep. There's a 500m with Chad Hedrick and if you just watch the first 100m it is an awesome thing to observe. Maybe more notes later. Good stuff indeed. Next year I need to follow this more closely. I looked over it early in the season but didn't find the video. If we have video, even online, even full broadcasts later, OK. I'll follow it.

Skating same route.

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Skaing in and around High Point doesn't leave a great variety of choices. I try and avoid the main roads of ovious reasons. Over the last couple of years I have had to modify my routes a little to avoid road work and Some areas I have been chsed by dogs. Also If any one has a heart monitor or GPS (I have a Garim Forerunner 201) I have been using a great free program call SportsTracks. This allows you to imput your data directly from your unit into the program, then disect it 6 million ways from tomorrow. It also has a mapping features that allow you to see where you skate on a map, by the GPS track as well as tack speed, distance, and elevation. The program is mostly for runners or cyclists but works just as well skaters. You can found at: http://www.zonefivesoftware.com/SportTracks

Hope this helps.

Ken

I'll be there

In reply to Inline Speed Skating Clinic March 28 2009 with Harry Vogel, Hank Galbraith, Mariah Richardson:

Sounds great, a good chance to practice my skill and learn to techniques.

Skateland USA West Location Added

In reply to Inline Speed Skating Clinic March 28 2009 with Harry Vogel, Hank Galbraith, Mariah Richardson:

Hi JonathanS...

Thanks for asking. I added the address to the input form and it converted it to lat long values and put it on the map when you view the story now. I hope.

Thanks to Skaterdad for joining and posting!

This sounds awesome. I think it might conflict with Skatestrong.com, though.

I think I have a clip of Harry Vogel doing relays one night when northinsouth and I went down to High Point Speed practice. As I recall he was double pushing (or at least "throwing the left") and on leg as he gave the push to the next skater. Or maybe I dreamed it. Hmm.

So many MPEGs, so little time.

Good start for Shani

In reply to Shani Davis Tops US World Cup Speed Skaters. Inliners Jennifer Rodriguez, Heather Richardson, Chad Hedrick Skating Well.:

Gold medal and world record in the 1500m, not bad...

Where is Skateland, USA

In reply to Inline Speed Skating Clinic March 28 2009 with Harry Vogel, Hank Galbraith, Mariah Richardson:

Where is Skateland, USA located?

It's about 2.5 miles from here.

:-) Western Greensboro, NC, not far from the airport.

Where is Skateland, USA

In reply to Inline Speed Skating Clinic March 28 2009 with Harry Vogel, Hank Galbraith, Mariah Richardson:

Where is Skateland, USA located?

Thanks for the details

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Hey Ken, thanks for the details! That seems like a reliable way of charting progress, too. I tend to avoid skating the same route for months at a time, but that'd be a great way to find out if any particular method is working.

What I have done in the past

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

What I have done in the past is just skate on a regular basis, slowly increasing my distance. When I train for T2T I try and go out on a fixed route of 15 miles 3 days a week. and then do 20-30 one day over thge weekend. As for seeing results it is easy. Since I am do the same route during the week, I judge my progress by watching my ave speed go up and my time for the route go down. Usally when I start in April, I am runing about 9-10 mph and by mid aug, I am pushing 13-14 mph for the same route.

the 400m crawl

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

400m - that's once around a typical track, right? I tried that in January to see how long it'd take me and it was well over a minute!! I notice the 400m running sprint record is something like 43 seconds... :-(. Still, that sounds like a good way to check for progress once in a while, but like you said I guess it's best to try to replicate the same wind/fatigue conditions each time.

I haven't yet gotten the hang of being able to 'sprint' much longer than 150m!

Interesting what you said about working on endurance. I need to go look at my Garmin records. Thanks so much for all this info.

ETA: Oops! Mine's actually a 533m lap. I don't feel so bad now :-)

Measuring Performance

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Per Friel's book, I skate an 8 mile TT in the end of each block. Although, conditions are never the same (wind, temperature, etc.), it gives me a good idea of how I am doing comparing to prior blocks.
In addition, I skate 400m sprints on a track every other week or so to see where I stand.
However, a lot of times I would be more concerned about how I feel over a longer skate or if I can hold a certain level of effort for a certain amount of time. Generally, I am much better with explosive efforts (I would consider sprints to be my forte) and, therefore, I try to spend as much time as possible working on my muscle endurance (my weakness). And, for what it's worth, working on endurance for me is not a slow and steady pace in HR zone 1, it is more of tempo work in HR zone 3.

ankles were fine

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Ankle strength was definitely a concern going into TTT and A2A. But they were fine. I expect that some of the plyometric exercises I was doing at the gym helped with the ankles too. But there's definitely no substitute for time on skates. The last 2 months before TTT I was doing at east 50 miles on my Saturday skate. A third day during the week would have been nice, but I just didn't have the time in my schedule for it.

I'll probably do a similar training plan this year. Although I'm kicking around the idea of doing the 24-hour Montreal race again (solo). That would require a lot more skating if I do. I'm just not sure I'm ready to put my body through that again yet! :-)

- SM -

Progress?

In reply to What's your Inline-Skating, Cycling or Running Training Style: Periodization, Marathon-Training, or Haphazard? :

Thanks for the reply, Skart. What you've described sounds much like the stuff I've read about so far. How could you tell at the end of a 'block' that you had made progress, i.e., were you recording your stats, or did you just go by how you felt? I must admit I don't sit and scrutinize my Garmin spewings on my computer afterwards, but the stats are there if I need them.

These are great, varied responses. Thanks!